If you don't need tummy control but want a sheer to the toe besides the seam pantiehose then these are the ones you want.I searched high and low for these buggers and finally found them here. I hope it didn't take you that long.I've never liked how the black footing would stick out of your shoe wearing the other kind. I don't know if that's how you're supposed to wear them but to me it always looks tacky so I just won't do it. Lol.Keep in mind there's no tummy control, no biggie if you're already wearing a girdle.